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Revocable living trust and pour over will. Why do I need both?

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The Question. Why do we have a pour over will when we already have a revocable living trust in our estate plan? Isn’t that repetitive?

Let’s try to answer this age old question.

Quick clarification. Your Trust is the Boss. Your trust is your featured estate planning tool for moving your assets to the next generation. Your Pour over will (Called pour over because it names the trust as beneficiary) should be a smaller player in the whole scheme of things, but it is a necessary role player.

For those folks with one, after you develop your trust document …you add your assets into your trust. This is accomplished by changing the title of the property into the name of the trust or by setting the trust in as the beneficiary of a certain asset. (IE: life insurance). Then, when you die, the assets stay in the trust avoiding the need for a probate of the assets it holds on your behalf.

Here are a three reasons why a pour over will is still necessary….

  1. Guardians. A pour over will can do an important things that a living trust document cannot do. If you have minor children and want to name a guardian for them — someone to raise them if you and the other parent die before they reach adulthood — you must use a will to do that.

 

  1. Human Error. Lets face it. We all make mistakes. One big reason to write a pour over will is that a living trust covers only property you have transferred, in writing, to the trust. Almost no one transfers everything to a trust. And even if you do scrupulously try to transfer everything, there’s always the chance that you’ll acquire property shortly before you die and not have time to put it into your trust. If you don’t think to (or aren’t able to) transfer ownership of an asset to your living trust, it won’t pass under the terms of the trust document. Anything not transferred into your trust prior to your death could instead be subject to probate and distributed under your pour over will. In short, a pour over will acts as a safety net and sends a “forgotten asset” back into your trust.

 

  1. Satisfying the rules for paying a decedent’s last bills. The law says that an estate pays the last bills. The pour over will contains language that passes that statutory obligation from the Personal Representative of an empty estate to the trustee under the trust. This language, coupled with special language accepting the responsibility under the trust, make the bill paying process seamless.

 

Of course, there is more to all of this. The key for anyone with a trust is to seek counsel. Get your questions answered. Also know that a trust is a beautiful thing, but it never acts alone. It always needs the reliable sidekick called a pour over will in order to accomplish its mission.


Choosing an Attorney for Your Estate Planning

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A recent Caring.com article by Susan Kostal, Senior Editor of the Legal channel, tells us who to look for when searching for a Trust, Wills, and Estates Attorney.

The article is a great read for people wondering how to find a qualified Trust and Estates Attorney. Most of the advice in the article is good quality common sense stuff.

Ask Your Friends

According to the article: “If you’re unsure how to find the right lawyer, start by asking friends for recommendations. Who have they used — and liked? You can also ask other lawyers who they would use.”

Look the Attorney in the Eye

Attorney Philip Feldman, head of the trusts and estates practice at Coblentz Patch Duffy & Bass in San Francisco is quoted in the article.  Feldman states that “Clients need to get a sense of who their lawyer is going to be. It’s important to look someone in the eye. This should be one of the most personal professional relationships you’ll have.”

Cost Expectations

Even more excellent advice from Ms. Kostal regarding fees:  “An average flat fee for a basic revocable trust plan may run from $2,500 to $10,000, depending on the complexity of the trust and the size of the estate. Flat fees, however, aren’t necessarily a better deal than hourly rates. And the most expensive lawyer isn’t always the best.

Ask at the outset for the lawyer’s rate. It’s better to know upfront, so that neither of you wastes the other’s time if there’s a huge discrepancy between what an attorney charges and what you’re willing to pay. Generally, the more assets a person has, the more complicated his estate is likely to be, and the more it will cost to put together a thoughtful estate plan.”

We think the advice provided by the article is right on point and recommend that you take a few minutes to read it.

For more information on Trusts: Articles on Trusts and Estate Planning.

 


Revocable Living Trusts: Are We Funded Yet?

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The Review

We recently had a new client present us with her revocable living trust so that we could review it for her. We took a good look.

The trust had a beautiful binder cover on it. It was drafted by a reputable attorney. It was carefully worded. It contained special language in it so that the trustee could take care of her if she became disabled. It contained language delaying large payments to minors until, one would hope, they reach an age when they are able to grasp money management. It also had a provision in it that would pay a residual distribution to a nice local non-profit group.

The trust looked great so far.

The Surprise

We then asked our client a critical two-part question that is a standard part of our trust review process.  What assets had she put into the trust so far and how is the trust to be funded upon her death?  She could not recall.

We then took a look at a few of her assets to see whether she changed titles and beneficiary designations into the name of the trust.

  • Life insurance? No. Still had her deceased spouse named as beneficiary.
  • Bank accounts? No. Still in her name, no trust as the owner or beneficiary.
  • Her vintage car? No.
  • Her farmette? Not a chance. It was still in her name.

We quickly realized that a very important step in trust planning was not accomplished. She had no assets in her trust.  No assets were set up to go into her trust outside of the probate process.  In short: She failed to properly fund the well-crafted trust she paid for.

Why It Matters

A revocable living trust can only control the assets that are put into it. Think of a revocable living trust as a legal container. The container is filled and then, at certain points along a timeline, its contents (some or all) can be distributed.

How Do I Fund These Things?

Trusts can be filled in various ways and at various points in time after they are drafted for a client. One way to accomplish this funding is through non-probate methods. Some examples of non-probate funding include taking actions, such as:

  • Deeding your house from you to the trust.
  • Transferring other assets outright to the trust using a bill of sale.
  • Placing the trust in as your beneficiary on accounts, policies and contracts.

These transfers all occur without the need for probate. The trust then administers the assets under its terms outside of probate. In short, the trust can help to avoid the delays and expenses of the probate process.

Finally, as a safety valve, the funding can occur after death and through probate via a last will that names the trust as beneficiary. This kind of will is commonly called a pour-over will. This is a probate method of funding. While it does cause the asset to make their way into the trust, it is only after the assets (if above $50,000 in Wisconsin) are probated.

The Fix

In our case, our client had a good trust prepared and a pour-over will. The trust was not filled with the assets in a manner that avoids probate. It appeared to be destined to remain empty until after a probate filled it. If the goal of her living trust is to avoid probate at death and court intervention at incapacity, then she should fund it now, while she is able to do so. If she fails to do so, the wording in the trust and the trust itself could be irrelevant when she becomes disabled or dies. If she relies on the pour-over will for the asset transfer, the money may not go to her minor grandchildren in the way intended under the trust, but instead to lawyers, court fees and other places that were unintended. The charity could have been out of luck if the residuary money was spent in the probate process.

If you have signed your living trust document but haven’t changed titles and beneficiary designations, you should get to it. Luckily, we caught the issue in our case. We made sure our client’s trust was properly funded.

Be sure and ask your attorney how to fund your revocable living trust. There is no doubt that you and your heirs will be glad you finished what was started.